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Cryptocurrency and Retirement with Chris Kline of Bitcoin IRA

In this episode, we sat down with Chris Kline, the COO and Co-Founder of Bitcoin IRA to discuss the significance of utilizing Bitcoin as a component of your retirement portfolio and to explore how cryptocurrency will continue to be a pivotal component of our economic landscape.

Payments & Fintech Insights In This Episode

  • The power of hyper focus in the early days of a start-up.
  • The motivations and benefits of including crypto in retirement planning.
  • How crypto functions as a hedge against inflation.
  • The role of consumer protections and compliance in unregulated currency.
  • And so much more!

Episode Transcript

Heather: Hi, everyone. Welcome to PayPod. I’m your host, Heather Bodie. And today, we’re gonna be talking about utilizing cryptocurrency as a retirement investment. And joining me to talk about that is Chris Kline, co-founder and COO of Bitcoin IRA, the industry-leading crypto IRA platform. Chris, welcome to the show.

Chris: Thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure today.

Heather: Absolutely. So, I wanna start. Before we get into Bitcoin IRA specifically, I wanna talk a little bit about you. Tell me, how did you get into fintech? What does your career path look like? And I don’t know, just tell me a little bit about yourself.

Chris: Yeah. I think like a lot of folks, unless you’re an engineer and you’re going to school specifically for that, you kind of stumble into fintech, especially, it’s blossomed itself across so many different industries today. About a decade ago, I think last week was the decade. I took a one-way ticket in a suitcase and left Colorado where I was born and raised to try something new. And I landed in Los Angeles. I was actually headed to San Francisco to work for a mobile app development company. And serendipitously ran into my now partners that were working in fintech.

They were working in consumer loans, and they had started some things within IRAs. And I had some interest in that from a background of finance and international relations at college. It was interesting to me and I wanted to be an entrepreneur. So, I took it kind of full steam ahead and stayed. Actually, I lived in an, really, really bad motel below, like motel six for about nine months while I built the first business with them. And then was doing LLCs, private equity, real estate, things like that within the IRA setting.

Heather: They didn’t have a couch for you or something?

Chris: No, I didn’t wanna ask. I know, I didn’t wanna ask. I wanted them to think I was just this normal dude. They were trusting me to be one of their partners. I wanna be like, and by the way, I’m gonna live on your couch for a few months.

Heather: Oh, I love that.

Chris: And it was a good experience too. It helped me understand how to deal with things in an isolated fashion and really just hyperfocus because you didn’t really wanna go home. So, it was much easier just to stay at the office eight days a week, 20 hours a day. Obviously, I’m not there anymore, but that was the beginnings of it. And then across time, what we found with alternative investments was, there was this world that wasn’t quite caught up to the rest of technology. They were still doing things old school, paper forms, onboarding processes, etc. And so we really tried to revolutionize that. And when we brought Bitcoin to the mix, we really exploded the revolution by having to embrace technology at a higher velocity than we ever had to. So, that’s kind of my story along the way of stumbling into this world.

Heather: So, that all brings us to today in Bitcoin IRA. I started my career in financial services. So, my early days were filled with discussions of portfolio diversification, life insurance, IRAs, other retirement planning products. With crypto being so relatively new, and we’ve seen so much volatility recently, talk to me about both the motivations and the benefits behind wrapping crypto in a retirement planning product.

Chris: Well, the early adopters, the ones that came first were all retirees or near-retirees from FANG [SP] or IBM, we have a few NASA scientists. So, these are guys that have always been on the cutting edge of their research of knowing what’s happening. And their main motivation and still today is that they believe Bitcoin will augment the monetary system that we have today. It’s not gonna replace it, I think that concept has gone away, but it’ll be a pivotal component to the rest of our financial systems. And now today we’re seeing a lot of volatility, right? We’re back to below 20,000, we’ve peaked up to 65,000. If you’ve been in crypto long enough, you’re used to these peaks and troughs, they come.

Remember, this thing’s only 13 years old. I was a 13-year-old boy once, I know how volatile I was at that age. And I have an eight-year-old daughter who thinks she’s 13 today. So, I definitely understand it. So, there’s a little volatility as we mature and we grow up into this space, but main motivations is, there’s still people that think maybe not all of crypto, but at least Bitcoin for sure is a potential hedge against inflation. And that’s because it’s finite, there’s only 21 million that’ll ever be made. in the five minutes we’ve been talking, the U.S. government’s probably created $21 million bill, that fast.

So, we’ve never dealt with scarcity in our lifetime, but it did exist in the pre-depression and post-depression eras. This is something that drives value to things. So, there’s a lot of folks that see that. Also there’s definitely a libertarian component to it. I wouldn’t say a distrust for the government, but a feeling that the government is not just ours, not just the U.S. but across the world are mismanaging their currency. To continue this accelerated grow and grow and grow your economy ever and ever forever more, you have to continue to inject capital into it. And treasuries have started doing that via printing more money like we have in the last two years for stimulus packages.

And there’s a day, and history shows us this with the Roman Empire, with the Weimar Republic, with Venezuela and Turkey more recently, there’s a day where that bow breaks. It doesn’t work. So, people are looking at it as a protectionary measure. Beyond that, it’s evolution of society. So yeah, stocks and dot-com bubble were crazy, right? Everybody had a dot-com stock, everybody, and there were a lot that failed. The altcoin era of Bitcoin is in a lot of ways the same version. There’s people experimenting, trying new things. How can we make this better? How can we do this process more efficiently? How can we help more and service more people by using Web3? And there’ll be winners and losers in that mix along the way just like people thought that the internet wasn’t ever gonna work out and now we live on it. So, there’s a general excitement about putting a little bit of your retirement into the future of the economy somehow someway.

Heather: I was in an interview yesterday with someone who used the phrase ‘when the internet started’ in referencing part of their career, I thought, man, there are gonna be some listeners who are like, when the internet started…

Chris: You were there?

Heather: You were there.

Chris: Oh, my gosh.

Heather: So, let’s say I wanted to open up a Bitcoin IRA today, what does that process look like?

Chris: It’s pretty seamless. There’s two ways, two routes you can go in. You can either go, some people like desktop being on a web, on a computer on their website. You can go to and open up a free account, learn a whole bunch. In there, there’s all kinds of training modules, how our system works, live pricing on, I think over 120 coins. Once you’re ready to open an account, there’s an easy call to action to open it. You go through a quick funnel, ask personal information securely, and how you’re gonna fund the account. There’s really three ways folks open and fund an account in Bitcoin IRA. They either are starting fresh and they wanna do their yearly contribution. You know, if we get between 6,000 to 7,000 and they’ll open an account, wire the funds.

Others will transfer or rollover from an existing retirement account. So, maybe they have a 401k from an old job that they left, the great resignation from last year, or they have an IRA at Fidelity or TD Ameritrade, and you can easily transfer funds from A to B. Because what you’re getting is, you’re still getting an IRA. Everything else is the same. If it’s a Traditional, SEP, Simple Roth, they’re all the same rules and the setups. What we did is we just constructed a platform where you can use that tool to access alternatives, notably cryptocurrency.

You can also download the app it’s on the Apple Store and Google Play Store. But you can go there, you can download the app. I personally like the app, one of the rules we had between my CEO partner and myself was, if you can’t drive down the 405 and do a trade in traffic, then it’s not easy enough. And that was like our stress test that we always did when we launched something new.

Heather: And do a trade in traffic.

Chris: In traffic.

Heather: And hopefully you’re driving a car that has self-guided capabilities.

Chris: Yeah. I mean, it’d be cool buying my bitcoin while my Tesla auto drives [SP]. I mean, yeah, you know, and a robot rocks my baby to sleep. I don’t know, that’s the future, right? That’s what we all thought we were gonna be doing when we watched Marty McFly 30 years ago.

Heather: So, it’s been many, many years since I was in financial services. I mean, I guess I wanna turn towards consumer protections, compliance regulation. We’re in such early days with that in relationship to cryptocurrency. And in some ways it’s sort of antithetical to the concept in general, what’s in place as a consumer, especially when I’m talking about a retirement product?

Chris: Yeah. That’s a great question. So, when it comes to some of the crazy new ideas that are happening, those edge-use cases D5, for example, has had a very rough month. It has found its weaknesses with Luna’s token, Stablecoin losing its peg and then realizing the reserves weren’t gonna be enough. And then more recently we’ve had groups like Celsius and free Aero Capital that have. Basically, they have done DeFi instrumentation that has elongated expiration periods. So, if you go put money in like an annuity and you have to get it out, you can just take a penalty. Usually it’s like 5% and it’s a…or leave withdrawal penalty and you can get your capital back. In staking, which is the new component of DeFi, there are more limitations to when the access are liquid again.

Notably, right now in Ethereum and staking Ethereum, there are two parallel chains happening, right? And the merger is coming together. But there’s no definitive data when that merger will be done and everything will be finished. And until then, if you staked a lot of E you’re locked up until that merger’s finished. Now, imagine if you made that decision as a treasury and all of your clients all of a sudden wanted to withdraw their funds. You’re in kind of a catch-22. So, there’s edge cases that are very, very innovative and thereby more risky, but there is reward. When it comes to the instruments of putting them inside of an IRA, the way we got our approval was two or three big things. First, we focused on security. This had never been done before. And we had to figure out what would be the best wallet, configuration and administrative controls around that wallet.

So, we partnered with BITCO, which is, I consider kind of the Goldman Sachs last brinks of the industry. They have about 30 billion on a monthly average going through their wallets. They’re responsible about 30% of crypto security in the world. And what they’ve built is, their founders built Google Chrome security. So, while it’s had its weaknesses, I would say it’s probably the most secure internet browser available today. So, these brains and nerds came together and figured out how to put together wallets in cold storage with multi-signature needs, keys that are stored reciprocated. I call them salt and peppered throughout the geographic areas so that when somebody’s coin wants to leave our ecosystem of custody, they’ve gotta go through video verification, KBA. Then we go through a series of maker, checkers, and verifiers. And I actually still as the CEO and co-founder get on a video call with the insurance company and BITCO to verify all the details of that transaction. Even if it’s one Bitcoin, 1,000 Bitcoin, or beyond.

So, you really have to build a core of security to keep folks safe. Now, beyond that, these are self-directed IRAs. So, there’s an inherent risk in investing what you’re gonna choose. Now, if you look at the landscape today, not a lot of things are doing great. I think maybe art and wine are doing solid, but I know myself. I’m a gold holder, I’m a crypto holder, I’m a stockholder, pretty much everything’s red this year. So, people are using this as diversification tool. What we did early on, 2017, everything got crazy. We were the only players in the space. Once that settled, most companies actually cut and run because we went into a winter. We doubled down and we actually hired a chief compliance officer that worked at the FDIC special investigation crime and Marion Bullion. I call her Marianne the bulldog Bullion. She does podcasts too, she’s awesome.

She has been kind of that epicenter of our compliance. Now, we’ve gotten all the way to the point where we’ve grown to be a trust company. We’re certified and regulated by the Nevada Financial Institutions Department. So, there’s really a lot happening where, we’re opening the doors to compliance, we applaud it. These guardrails are needed to protect consumers. And for this next evolution, what comes after what’s happening right now, I think you’re gonna see a very robust compliance circle around these types of investments. And it’s been getting there slowly but surely year by year, over the last four or five years.

Heather: So, let’s say I’m new to crypto. I listen to this podcast. I’m like, Chris knows what he’s talking about. I wanna do that as a self-guided IRA. I know from my days way back in financial services, we were often putting mutual fund packages in that IRA wrapper, where you almost looked at a brochure and had this like, am I a low risk, medium risk, high risk, you know, picked your fund circle that way. As someone who’s new to crypto in general, basically what I wanna do is open access to some of our listeners who aren’t necessarily deeply embedded in understanding the cryptocurrency world at the moment.

So, can you talk a little bit, you were talking about staking. Can you talk about the differentiation between proof of stake versus proof of work and how do I look up which altcoins might be the right fit for me? Because I know, you know, if you’re diversifying your portfolio in companies that you care about, and stock from companies you care about. You can sort of, lean toward brands, but this crypto world feels a little hard to piece out.

Chris: It’s hard to pinpoint. Yeah. Well, the first trick is that Bitcoin has the dominance. So, if you’re really getting into crypto, I think our book is probably like 60% Bitcoin, maybe 50. It depends on the day, right? So, Bitcoin’s your starting point. And Bitcoin is a proof of work chain, which the way that it’s mined is you could think of, you have to solve difficult mathematic problems. So, back in the days when it started, they were much easier. You could do them with a laptop [inaudible 00:13:24.324] computer tower. Now you need entire ant minors running 24/7 off geothermal or solar, to be able to cut a break even with the reward. And the essence is you’re solving that problem. So, you’re proving your work. Remember how our teachers always in math class will be like, you gotta show your work. You gotta show your work. And my daughter even goes to…

Heather: Geometry.

Chris: Yes, exactly. My daughter goes through today. So, you’re showing the proof that you did the work to earn the reward. And there are other protocols like that. Now what you see growing next, and Ethereum is going to proof of stake model. And proof of stake is basically, I have an asset that I can stake into the network so that it can provide the network the means by which to continue to service the network itself. So, you stake your coins so that they can be used by nodes and other miners. So that when somebody wants to send you, like, if I wanted to send you an Ethereum, there’s a node on each side, there’s somebody saying, yep, Chris has this Ethereum, it’s in his wallet, it’s on the chain. And then there’s somebody saying, Heather has this wallet, that’s on the chain and it can accept this point.

And then once it’s transferred, it confirms everything. So, those nodes are using that proof-of-stake mechanism to be able to transact. And Ethereum needs a proof of stake because it’s likely gonna be the backbone of Web3. So, if you think about it, if we could have bought shares of the internet back in the ’90s, nowadays, we probably would’ve right, but they weren’t really for sale. In this world the chain itself runs what are called DAPS. And that’s where you see all these other coins coming from decentralized applications that are trying to solve some use case or another. They’re often called, you’ll hear them called ERC-20 tokens. They’re basically using the Ethereum network to build out their network of a coin purpose. There’s things like, Uniswap and Chainlink. Now, every one of these has a dream. Every altcoin says, here’s a problem in the world that we want to fix, or here’s a challenge in Web3 that we want to fix.

So, there’s, you’re moving from chains and things. That’s why there’s some coins that help you connect those. Each of them is still growing and learning. So there is definitely a risk that either this coin doesn’t solve the problem that a competitor comes in and solves the problem better. It’s very open-ended right now. And there’s a lot of smart nerds that are trying a lot of different things. So, when you get into those altcoins, it’s important to remember to do some very good due diligence. So, beyond just looking at what the price of the coin is, or what it’s market cap [inaudible 00:15:39.518] etc., look at supply circulation, every one of them has a white paper. They aren’t 20, 75,000 pages long. They’re usually about 10 to 50, but you can look through the table of contents, get an idea of what are we trying to solve? How do we intend to solve it? What’s our technology look like, etc.

And then one that’s very important is look up who’s involved. Bitcoin actually is faceless, right? It doesn’t have this leader. Vitalik is the go-to for Ethereum, he was the inventor of it. But see who’s involved in it and look at their background, go on LinkedIn. What have they done before crypto? Is this somebody that was literally selling Mary Kay six months ago, that now claims to be a Web3 person? That might be a red flag for me. But if it’s somebody that’s worked at Google, Facebook, etc., that’s highly involved in this project, now you know you’ve got something special there. But always dabble with cautiousness, you don’t have to go put your entire retirement on GRT coin or something.

We have 65 coins on our platform. I hold every one of them because I’m the mega tester. Like I said, I’m always buying and selling things on the freeway or whatever, airports, on airplanes. We always try different scenarios. But grab a little, and you’ll find that Bitcoin’s probably the simplest. You set it, you forget it. You, you know, that finiteness is gonna kick in. At some point there’s only gonna be 21 million. At that point, there’s 7 billion people in the world. If everybody wants a piece of Bitcoin, you could do the math and figure out what the value could be. It’s also one that’s being used by central banks and failing countries. So, last summer, El Salvador, half of their population lives in underbanked. So, Bitcoin really opened that up for the population there. And if their goal is, okay, we got stuck as a, “Banana Republic.” Their big two problems are they either have military coups in their history, or volcanic eruptions.

And what they did was, I love this. This is to me a case study of human empowerment. Is they have now put mining devices and mining systems at the base of their volcano. Well, it’s not like right there, but it’s taking that energy. It’s taking that volcanic energy from the lava and actually using that energy to run the machines that are trying to mine Bitcoin. So, you take something, that’s been a natural disaster for them every 5 to 10 to 15 years. And they’re like, you know what? We’re gonna harness the power of this to help grow our economy. It’s a long-term experiment. It’s not something that’s gonna happen and fixed overnight, nothing is.

But I think we’re gonna look forward and you’re gonna look at central America in 10 to 15 years, and you’re gonna see that there’s growing new capitals of economy that are happening. And El Salvador will be one of them. I think you’re gonna see that kind of spread a little bit. You also have Zimbabwe, Turkey has not adopted it, but it’s people adopted it. If you look at Turkey and Venezuela most recently when they had currency issues, whether it was hyperinflation or currency failure, everybody ran and you would just see the number of new wallets in that IP address just explode. Because people wanted to go and shift themselves away from the local currency as best they could into as much crypto as they could get. And now start using it as a medium of exchange because the money they were told was legal tinder has lost its value by a mismanagement. That’s a lot there. I hope that helps.

Heather: It was wonderful. Love a good fire hose moment of information. You’re incredibly articulate. So, I really, really appreciate you [inaudible 00:18:45.521] that.

Chris: Thanks, Heather.

Heather: So, what’s next for Bitcoin IRA? Anything you’re working on or that’s brewing that you can give us some insight on?

Chris: Yeah, that’s a good question. So, we started this seven years ago and the first few years were just figuring out how to do it and build technology where clients are very insatiable, and that’s because crypto trades 24/7. So they want access 24/7. So, we were the first to build a lot of those access points, trading, setting up an account, making changes to your account, but we raced forward like most fintech does, right? You’re racing forward. You wanna be the first to claim the stake here. And the first to do this, you wanna put “your flag on the moon” and say, yep, we were here first. But what happens is you kind of stretch the technology. And so what we’re doing in fact, this quarter ahead, we’ve been spending a lot of time building out what are the pieces we need to finish to polish. It’s kind of like a project discovery and polish of our programs.

So, where we put a bandaid or where we’ve done these things that could really help with UX. That’s a major focus for us because we believe as we’ve seen time and time again, is that there are waves of cryptocurrency enthusiasm. So right now, while the rest of the world, I think a lot of the world is just like, hey, this is our first summer where you’re not making me wear masks and you’re not locking me in my house. Just let me be, let me go have my summer. Right? When the fall comes, I think there’ll be some realization that we probably are hitting a recession. Jobs haven’t been lost yet, but stock values are way down for companies especially in tech, we haven’t seen the layoffs yet. That will happen this year.

And that’ll pivot people’s mind to, okay, what’s my investment strategy given that climate, which hasn’t kicked in for the regular person. So, what we’re doing is preparing ourselves for the next wave so that when the enthusiasm does go crazy, as fintech, we can capture as many new accounts and as streamline process and help the client be satisfied along the entire way. No matter if it’s 100 people coming in the door that day, or 1,000 people coming in the door that day. What can our system do in infrastructure to scale? The other thing that we’re doing is obviously I told you, we have our own trust company, we’re expanding that.

So, we’re trying to take everything we learned in crypto, how to be fast, how to be efficient, all the things we learned and had to learn to do crypto and IRA. And we’re going back, we’re gonna go back to the real estate play and the adventure capital and the private equity and say, what can we do differently here that others aren’t doing? So that groups that are offering real estate have a better experience with their clients or clients that are looking for things have a better experience. That’s gonna be our primary focus for the rest of this year. And then maybe the next year it’s is my favorite part about this job is, we did the first [inaudible 00:21:08.382] program a few years ago, first mobile last year, there’ll be some more firsts that will come across as the dust settles on DeFi and these things we’re gonna see some amazing programs come out of this.

As I think Rockefeller or a Baron from Germany said, “When the blood’s in the street, even if it’s mine, I’m buying.” When you’re a fintech guy and real at the heart, is when fintech’s not popular, that’s when I start building, that’s when I start creating, and finding the next thing that’s gonna change this industry. And that’s really what we’re kind of cooking up is, what can we do? It doesn’t seem like it’s a huge announcement, but what can we do that seems so small, but really revolutionizes the client experience?

Heather: To close out our time together today, I wanna bring us back to the beginning of our conversation, that image of you living in the motel…

Chris: I knew that was coming.

Heather: …and building this company. And well, I have a solid motivation behind asking. I like to close out our episodes asking folks for advice that they have for somebody wanting to start and build a career in fintech, but also just general business advice. Having been through that early experience of, I don’t mean fake it till you make it, because you weren’t faking it. But having that little bit of, I need these guys to trust me. What’s one piece of advice you would give to somebody who is in a similar position?

Chris: I talk to my wife about this a lot too. Because we took a really different career path. You know, she’s surrounded by the Instagram of the world and the family and friends of generations before that. The American dream is get married, have a kid, have a white picket fence, have a dog, right? And a job that pays you somewhere around 100 grand a year. Used to be 50, but now that’s 100, and maybe might be 150 after this inflation that’s taking place. But define your own American dream. That’s what I did. So yeah, I was supposed to do X, Y, Z, and everyone else did X, Y, Z. I did the exact opposite. I went, I sold off everything I had, I took a risk. I didn’t even have a job when I got on that airplane. I had no idea what I was gonna do.

I remember my family was freaked out. I was like, don’t worry. I always kept $200 under the mattress at the motel in case I needed to take a Greyhound bus home, but I’m gonna give this a run. And then I kept doing that every stage of my career. So, when others would say, “Oh, I’m going to start looking for a job because I think this company’s gonna not make it through.” It never crossed my head. I was like, I have no choice, winners win. We’re just gonna win. We’re gonna find a way to fight through this. For my partners the big thing was, when you work with other entrepreneurs, usually, you’re gonna be a junior versus some seniors. There’s gonna be some guys that are already well-capitalized. They’ve had some success. I’m the youngest on my board by 12 years or 10 years, something like that.

So, you will have this where everybody’s gotta put money in at some point, especially if you’re an entrepreneur and you’re building a business and try to go to the bank first. Because that really shocked my guys was, I knew because I was running the business, that we were about to have a hole. And I was like, hey guys, we’re about to have 100,000 hole this month. I already wired my 20 grand, you guys need to do these numbers. And that really took them aback, like, wait a minute. This kid will put money on the table, which is rare. Right? And most people, we go to a job, we wanna have these things.

So, if you really want to do something special, you have to define your own American dream, but it’s gonna be uncomfortable and you get comfortable there. I know that sounds so cliche, be comfortable and uncomfortable, but it’s true. You have to take away somewhat kind of blinders. I know, I see I’m on social, I say everything. I’m about to actually hit 10,000 on LinkedIn. So, any of your listeners wanna follow me on LinkedIn I’m very excited to break to 10,000. It was a goal I started in COVID. But you’ll see all these things. People are doing X, Y, Z, just do you. I think we’re really gonna start defining that as a society ahead. Is that what makes me happy? Not what artificially makes me feel like it’s supposed to make me happy. And that’s the same with your career.

Some people are just designed. They’re gonna work their way. They’re gonna start entry level. They’re gonna work their way up to manager. They’re gonna be a director, etc. But there are people that are like ladder? No, let me find a way to parachute, but every path has its own challenges. So, whatever you choose, remember, you’re gonna have to accept the strengths and the weaknesses of that path. But unlike most generations before us, we got a lot of agility. We can change things up. We can try things out. I’ve got folks that come in, Billie Jo as my Seal team manager, and we call our master chief. I actually got her a Navy hat, a real officer women’s Navy hat.

Because our Seal team is a leap. They’re our service and account set of people. But she was working in the compliance department doing something. And I met her and we started talking and I could see her talents. And I said, you know, if you’re willing to come, wanna take a leap and try this out. And now probably would be our C-level, like a COO someday. She’s still got plenty of years ahead of her career. But sometimes people will see something in you and have faith in that too. If you surround yourself with people that are looking for your best interests and you do your part, you show up and you do what you’ve gotta do, the sky’s the limit and what’s gonna happen?

And my partner has the best one. Whenever you give up, you’re gonna wanna shoot yourself for it, because it’s a timeless classic that most people give up right before they’re about to hit it, right before it happens. And I’ve been through waves. I’m a crypto guy. So, I’ve been rich and poor like 17 times in the last 15 minutes. Right? That’s the nature of it. And as an entrepreneur, you just have to, you stay that course. What you know is your dream. Define it and go get it.

Heather: Thank you so much, Chris. If people wanna get in touch with you, where should they go?

Heather: Follow you on LinkedIn. Follow you on LinkedIn, get him to that 10,000.

Chris: Yes, yes, yes. I think I’m gonna stop at 10,000, by the way. I just wanted to see that number. Like, I know there’s people that like 50,000. No, I just…

Heather: And then you’re gonna start culling. You’re gonna like…

Chris: Yeah, I’m too high too, like, no. So, obviously LinkedIn, but You can go to the Google Store or the app store on your phone and download the app. Here’s the really cool part. So, most companies have no humans, it’s all robot-driven. So, the Coinbase, the FTX is the, all the exchanges of the world. They’re designed to just streamline people usage. We deal with people with their retirement. So, we actually have a whole elite team of service people that help you open, fund, and trade your account. But we also have a group of executives that have been in crypto for six or seven years. That can talk you through what this coin’s doing, or what this asset’s about, and what they’re seeing in the market.

And also just general, it’s nice to talk to somebody about crypto, right? I’m sure that your listeners have dozens of questions from this. I golfed with some guys yesterday. They’re like, “Hey man, you mind if I get your number, I got some crypto questions.” Even though some of the other guys were like, “Wow, Bitcoin, how can you afford to work at this or play at this course?” And I was like, well, you know, I don’t sell my Bitcoin. Right? So yeah, those are great places. And you’ll have somebody that you can talk to and learn some things from, which is really powerful.

Heather: Chris, thank you so much for joining us today. Really appreciate you taking the time.

Chris: Thanks, Heather. It’s a pleasure.

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Bitcoin IRA

We’re the world’s first and largest cryptocurrency retirement platform. Invest in Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, and more, tax-free within your crypto IRA. Since 2016, we have gained over 100,000 users and received more than 2,500 5-star user reviews. The company has been featured extensively in the media, with coverage in Forbes, CNBC, WSJ, CoinDesk, and Barron’s. Bitcoin IRA is a financial services technology platform and as such is not a financial adviser, cryptocurrency, exchange, custodian, wallet provider, initial coin offering (ICO), or money transmitter. Bitcoin IRA is privately funded and based in Los Angeles.